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	<title>Comments on: Unitarian Universalism and Military Chaplaincy</title>
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	<description>Liberal Religious Faith... and the occasional political musing.</description>
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		<title>By: Naiomi G</title>
		<link>http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62&#038;cpage=1#comment-2211</link>
		<dc:creator>Naiomi G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came upon your blog recently, so sorry that this comment is two years late! But as someone who is considering becoming a military chaplain, this really spoke to my heart. I am 20 years old and unlike you, do not have prior military service. I became passionate about the military this summer after doing a college project about military values.
  After awhile, something in me, thought, doing research is nice and fun, but I want to work with the soliders. I want to understand the military and understand a little of what they go through not just through research but through experience. And as a mainline christian who falls on the liberal side, I feel like I can do some good.

Most of my friends have been supportive thus far, but one went on a rant about the evils of the U.S. military.  She bought up some valid points, but like you mentioned in the essay, you need people both on the inside and the outside to effect change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came upon your blog recently, so sorry that this comment is two years late! But as someone who is considering becoming a military chaplain, this really spoke to my heart. I am 20 years old and unlike you, do not have prior military service. I became passionate about the military this summer after doing a college project about military values.<br />
  After awhile, something in me, thought, doing research is nice and fun, but I want to work with the soliders. I want to understand the military and understand a little of what they go through not just through research but through experience. And as a mainline christian who falls on the liberal side, I feel like I can do some good.</p>
<p>Most of my friends have been supportive thus far, but one went on a rant about the evils of the U.S. military.  She bought up some valid points, but like you mentioned in the essay, you need people both on the inside and the outside to effect change.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Wilton</title>
		<link>http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62&#038;cpage=1#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Wilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support the presence of uu&#039;s in the military. I do not support the idea that we will get to a point where there will no longer be war. I understand that population pressure causes war. This is unlikely to change. Since we are going to have the problems that cause war forever, it stands to reason that we will have war forever. Since we are going to have war as an active part of the human condition it is completely reasonable that we have religious liberals in the military and in the chaplaincy. 

The fact that pacifists are members of congregations doesn&#039;t mean that they have the right to take away the obligation of other members to shoulder the burden of the reality as expressed by population pressure. I hope that reasoned and ethical voices will continue to prevent that minority from attempting to dictate an alternative path than reality. Those societies that we find ourselves at war with practice the exclusionary practices that proponents of a peace church prefer even if their stated aims sound different.

I commend you for your service. I hope that in the ongoing recruitment efforts to create additional liberal chaplains, that the recruiters use science to negate the call to fantasy that is partially what I left the conservative theological world. I would prefer that recruiters get the theological schools to admit that war is not something that we will ever eliminate in some fantasy, but rather seek to find that rational minds within the liberal world and faith that will leaven the religious experience for our citizens in military service. Rational thought as a consequence of liberal religious involvement because war is not going to go away, is an important component of a free society that permits liberal religious faith and practice. 

The existence of free societies is uncommon on our planet for the majority. since war is an inevitable consequence of existence and the totalitarian percentage of our planet could take over, it is important that we defend our freedoms that include freedom of faith. Support for the troops that provide us with the permission to practice our liberal faith is not an abjuration of responsibility but (I would prefer) the norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support the presence of uu&#8217;s in the military. I do not support the idea that we will get to a point where there will no longer be war. I understand that population pressure causes war. This is unlikely to change. Since we are going to have the problems that cause war forever, it stands to reason that we will have war forever. Since we are going to have war as an active part of the human condition it is completely reasonable that we have religious liberals in the military and in the chaplaincy. </p>
<p>The fact that pacifists are members of congregations doesn&#8217;t mean that they have the right to take away the obligation of other members to shoulder the burden of the reality as expressed by population pressure. I hope that reasoned and ethical voices will continue to prevent that minority from attempting to dictate an alternative path than reality. Those societies that we find ourselves at war with practice the exclusionary practices that proponents of a peace church prefer even if their stated aims sound different.</p>
<p>I commend you for your service. I hope that in the ongoing recruitment efforts to create additional liberal chaplains, that the recruiters use science to negate the call to fantasy that is partially what I left the conservative theological world. I would prefer that recruiters get the theological schools to admit that war is not something that we will ever eliminate in some fantasy, but rather seek to find that rational minds within the liberal world and faith that will leaven the religious experience for our citizens in military service. Rational thought as a consequence of liberal religious involvement because war is not going to go away, is an important component of a free society that permits liberal religious faith and practice. </p>
<p>The existence of free societies is uncommon on our planet for the majority. since war is an inevitable consequence of existence and the totalitarian percentage of our planet could take over, it is important that we defend our freedoms that include freedom of faith. Support for the troops that provide us with the permission to practice our liberal faith is not an abjuration of responsibility but (I would prefer) the norm.</p>
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		<title>By: Celestial Lands &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Continuing to Normalize Military Ministry</title>
		<link>http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62&#038;cpage=1#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>Celestial Lands &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Continuing to Normalize Military Ministry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is an essay of mine that you might be able to connect with: http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: shay</title>
		<link>http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62&#038;cpage=1#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for this.

i am a seminary student at a liberal seminary and have just begun thinking about military chaplaincy. i appreciate this post for the care it takes to address so many concerns brought about by liberal religion to serving in a military capacity.

i have a couple of questions for you about chaplaincy and if you would be willing to email me i would greatly appreciate it. thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for this.</p>
<p>i am a seminary student at a liberal seminary and have just begun thinking about military chaplaincy. i appreciate this post for the care it takes to address so many concerns brought about by liberal religion to serving in a military capacity.</p>
<p>i have a couple of questions for you about chaplaincy and if you would be willing to email me i would greatly appreciate it. thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62&#038;cpage=1#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Floridaman,

I love my pacifist friends, and would never call them sissies...  In fact, they often show alot of courage for thier beliefs.  Psychologist Thomas Moore shows in his book &quot;King, Warrior, Magician, Lover&quot; how some of the same energy that brings soldiers to the field of battle also brings pacifists to the protest lines.  

That being said... I think that UU&#039;ism at its best spans both the far left and the center... and perhaps creeps to the right a bit... not just in politics but also in theology and in religious practice.  We need each other, because instead of a creed we have a covenant and a quest.  The covenant is beloved community, the quest is for the development, deepening, and interdependence of humankind.  If we do not have voices other than our own, then we stand no chance at being successful at either.  

And I will say one thing... while I may be more of a centrist in UU&#039;ism, I am a raging liberal in most of the other communities I am in (including the Army Chaplaincy).  One of the things I love about my UU congregations is they help me feel that I&#039;m not really the complete radical I seem most of the rest of the time. 

One last thought... you might enjoy reading some John Dewey...  

Yours in faith,

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Floridaman,</p>
<p>I love my pacifist friends, and would never call them sissies&#8230;  In fact, they often show alot of courage for thier beliefs.  Psychologist Thomas Moore shows in his book &#8220;King, Warrior, Magician, Lover&#8221; how some of the same energy that brings soldiers to the field of battle also brings pacifists to the protest lines.  </p>
<p>That being said&#8230; I think that UU&#8217;ism at its best spans both the far left and the center&#8230; and perhaps creeps to the right a bit&#8230; not just in politics but also in theology and in religious practice.  We need each other, because instead of a creed we have a covenant and a quest.  The covenant is beloved community, the quest is for the development, deepening, and interdependence of humankind.  If we do not have voices other than our own, then we stand no chance at being successful at either.  </p>
<p>And I will say one thing&#8230; while I may be more of a centrist in UU&#8217;ism, I am a raging liberal in most of the other communities I am in (including the Army Chaplaincy).  One of the things I love about my UU congregations is they help me feel that I&#8217;m not really the complete radical I seem most of the rest of the time. </p>
<p>One last thought&#8230; you might enjoy reading some John Dewey&#8230;  </p>
<p>Yours in faith,</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Floridaman</title>
		<link>http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62&#038;cpage=1#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>Floridaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gun ownership in America is increasing.
Common Sense says the MAJORITY are in the middle, like
a bell curve.  Not military invasion, WARRIORS gun nuts,
nor  complete pacifist sissies.

UU are accepting and PRACTICAL.  Even hunting can be
justified, if you eat all the meat, you obey the law,
keep deer population in balance  with nature, reduce deer ticks
and DEFORESTATION (ecology) and accurately shoot.

Isn&#039;t it ridiculous that UU is painted as completely LIBERAL, a
strange branch of the QUAKERS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gun ownership in America is increasing.<br />
Common Sense says the MAJORITY are in the middle, like<br />
a bell curve.  Not military invasion, WARRIORS gun nuts,<br />
nor  complete pacifist sissies.</p>
<p>UU are accepting and PRACTICAL.  Even hunting can be<br />
justified, if you eat all the meat, you obey the law,<br />
keep deer population in balance  with nature, reduce deer ticks<br />
and DEFORESTATION (ecology) and accurately shoot.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it ridiculous that UU is painted as completely LIBERAL, a<br />
strange branch of the QUAKERS?</p>
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		<title>By: Riley</title>
		<link>http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62&#038;cpage=1#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article shows compassion and reason - and a lot more compassion and reason than those who oppose UU chaplaincy as a knee-jerk hostile stance. I&#039;m glad you met Vernon Chandler, and may you pass on what you received!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article shows compassion and reason &#8211; and a lot more compassion and reason than those who oppose UU chaplaincy as a knee-jerk hostile stance. I&#8217;m glad you met Vernon Chandler, and may you pass on what you received!</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Athiest in foxhole sues military over his existence&#160;&#8212;&#160;Sunflower Chalice</title>
		<link>http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62&#038;cpage=1#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>&#160; Athiest in foxhole sues military over his existence&#160;&#8212;&#160;Sunflower Chalice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Military Chaplains, such as intern who followed me at church where I did my internship and David Pyle at Celestial Lands (I highly recommend his post/sermon of April 5) and the folks at UU&#8217;s in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Military Chaplains, such as intern who followed me at church where I did my internship and David Pyle at Celestial Lands (I highly recommend his post/sermon of April 5) and the folks at UU&#8217;s in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: About 12,000 vets attempt suicide yearly &#171; Aaron Sawyer&#8217;s DiscoverUU Blog</title>
		<link>http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62&#038;cpage=1#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>About 12,000 vets attempt suicide yearly &#171; Aaron Sawyer&#8217;s DiscoverUU Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] check out DiscoverUU blogger, David Pyle at Celestial Lands for some UU military [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Should UUism Become a Peace Church: The Answer to Today&#8217;s Quiz &#171; Transient and Permanent</title>
		<link>http://celestiallands.org/wayside/?p=62&#038;cpage=1#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Should UUism Become a Peace Church: The Answer to Today&#8217;s Quiz &#171; Transient and Permanent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] would probably find the Celestial Lands blog useful.</description>
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